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Join Kelly and Kapi’olani as they discuss their meanings of their names, entry to this world and how they both started on their coaching journeys and the precious indigenous practices we can use as a learning platform for our lives today. Learn more about how honoring and remembering our families and past traditions can inspire us in all we do today
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Welcome to hidden human, the Podcast where we explore the stories behind the business leader. Get ready to hear insights from business leaders speaking candidly about how they became who they are today, and the lessons they learned along the way. And now, here’s your host, leadership coaching speaker, Kelly Meerbott.
Kelly Meerbott 13:27:06
Welcome to the space where we reveal our personal humanity to reconnect with our shared humanity. Let’s begin our beginner conversation with Kapiolani Laronal, indigenous life coach and literally earth angel. I mean, she I can’t I can’t speak enough about this human. She floated into my life through an introduction a couple months ago, and I couldn’t be more grateful. And I’m so happy to welcome you on our podcast. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me, of course. And Please pronounce your name properly, because when you pronounce it, it’s so beautiful. And I know I’m terrible with pronunciations, which is why I took six years of high school French and it’s when I try to speak and people are just like, yeah, no, don’t do that. So pronounce your name properly.
Kapiolani Laronal 13:28:01
Yeah, it’s Kapiolani.
Kelly Meerbott 13:28:04
Yeah, see? That’s beautiful. And okay. So first, I want every Emily’s share with everybody what that means. Because for me, and you and I, that was our first discussion, right? I said my name in Celtic men, warrior woman, which makes sense, because I’m always fighting for things to be equal level and everybody to have access, right? Yeah, you told me what your name meant. And I literally felt my heart squeezed because it was like,
Kapiolani Laronal 13:28:31
yeah, yeah, you know, it’s really interesting, too, I will definitely explain to you like you and I’ve talked about this, what the source of my name is and what that means. Names are really, really important to my people. In my community, I’m Native Hawaiian, and Alaskan Native. So thank you, thank you for noticing that Kapiolani. It’s a rare name for others to have. I’ve come across a few Hawaiians who have that name. And it’s a bridge from the earth to the heavens, it’s heavenly rainbow and Po, the middle, this the center part of my name KAPIO. It’s the highest arch of a rainbow, the highest, that very center, top point of the rainbow. And it was given to me by my father, he was born prematurely. And my mother and father hadn’t yet named me. It was about I think, three days I was on on this earth. And I was in an incubator, they had to stay in the hospital. And one of the things that my dad, he said he had a dream of this name, and he knew that it would give me strength to survive. And I always tell people, here I am, I’m in the world. But that’s the that’s what we give. Our names are so so important in the Hawaiian community, because we feel like it gives people this literal gift. And for you, Kelly, just like many others that I’ve I’ve, I’ve met like you that there is a power behind the name that we have.
Kelly Meerbott 13:30:16
Yeah, and I’m about to tell you something that’s gonna blow your mind. So I was in an incubator for three days. And then I was not named either. And so Oh, my God, my dad wasn’t there. He was actually at a golf tournament in North Carolina, and he called my mother wanted to name me, Caroline, and call me Carrie. And he said, What about telly and because my grandmother was there, and I was breached, and I think my mom, the umbilical cord was wrapped around my neck and my grandmother, who was Italian, prayed to St. Anne, which is the Virgin Mary’s mother, and said, If this baby lives, we’ll name her after you, thus, Kelly. And so I mean, the connection between us this just gets deeper and deeper every time we talk. So, okay, and I I love your parents for naming you that because now every time I see a rainbow, I literally think of you because I’m like, Oh, there she is. But okay, so if I were a six year old child, how would you explain to me in a way I could understand what it is an indigenous life coach does and a consultant does.
Kapiolani Laronal 13:31:33
Yeah, that’s very, very interesting. So like, I as a life coach I support Well, as a life coach and a consultant. I support businesses and individuals and creating positive change and transformation in their organizations and create creating healthier or more inclusive organizations. But then also for individuals creating a more healthy health, a healthier individual who’s very self aware and able to kind of navigate the world in a way that increases their level of sense of engagement and satisfaction in their life.
Kelly Meerbott 13:32:10
Yeah, and so okay, there’s a lot of talk about indigenous people and all of that. And you and I both know the importance of it. But for somebody who maybe is listening for the first time and doesn’t get it, what would you what would you say to them? Why, why it’s important to engage the indigenous people of, of the world?
Kapiolani Laronal 13:32:34
Yeah, I think, first, we, you know, we all come from indigenous roots, each and every one of us, there are some of us who have remember the, our roots more than others. But then the other critical piece of this is that there’s a timeless wisdom. Without what I want to be careful to not fall into the idea that like, all Native Americans are shamans or somehow have some deep knowledge because all of us do. But there are timeless practices and the ways that we have been able to survive, that are useful for the modern world, I really believe that. And a lot of it is very simply, how are you building your relationships with other people. And we taught we practice, there are certain ways of going about the world where we are very intentional about creating meaningful, trust based relationships. And I believe that that is really the core of, especially with, like, with the pandemic, right? Or with the, with the social movements that are going on, we have to really find a way to dig deep and figure out, you know, keep it keeping it as simple as possible. How do we honor each other? How do we honor that for so that we can survive as a human race? I mean, that’s that kind of like, kind of going a little bit beyond what I feel people are used to hearing. But the reality is, is how are we going to create a better world for the next generation? That’s a very simple approach that many indigenous communities think about when we were creating change. It’s like, how are we going to benefit the generation that we will not see?
Kelly Meerbott 13:34:22
Right? And I think about that, and I’m going to butcher it, because I can’t remember it right now. But we don’t take the land from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. And like that, that’s what I think is I don’t have children, but I have a God’s Son and nephews, and I think about that group. And I think to myself, they’re going to be the ones that take us to the next level. So what do I do in my daily life, my coaching practice, kind of set them up for success per se, not leave desecrated land or scorched earth and my path. So how, from a business context? How, how does everything that you just talked about how do we implement that? For Change?
Kapiolani Laronal 13:35:17
Yeah, absolutely. So there are, there’s a framework that I use and talking about indigenous approaches, like, how is it? How can this be relevant for businesses today? And there are, so I give the example of our practices for entering a land space going into a garden, or going into the ocean. And there’s this I always kind of explain people explain to people in this way, this is how indigenous people would have met, like, different groups or gone out into the garden and planted or, or prepared for big gatherings, right? We always have like, things I need to happen ahead of time in order to prepare for like this journey to go see a group invite a really important conversation. And so I like to say like, for businesses, if we’re going to have a really important conversation with a group of people a challenging conversation, how might we best prepare for that? And I always say, what are indigenous ways of being in the world that teach us how we might interact with people more effectively. So if we use the concept of journeying, you know, we were in navigators, we, we were always interacting with other groups, the first thing we do for things, okay, most indigenous groups will, they’ll start to prepare, they’ll set an intention and kind of prepare for their prepare gifts, they’ll prepare songs for being able to prepare to meet this group, or go out into a field or go off and on the ocean, they set an intention. The second thing we do is we always as we’re on our journey, and we have our gifts prepared, we’ve thought about the things that we want to say. And then we get ready to to go to this place, whatever that destination is. But there are also going to be a lot of bumps along the way we might make mistakes. And so what do we do, we remember we think about, and remember the people who really inspire us, we think about the things that our mentors taught us, for indigenous people, we always honored our ancestors and where they got us. So remembering and recalling is really, really an important piece of that process. Because it’s like an internal assessment. It’s like every business to do well, we have to like really assess how effectively Are we are we being inclusive, right, that’s an example of practicing that recalling and remembering piece. Because it’s going to be challenging, it’s going to be we’re going to, we’re going to like start to dig deep when it comes to preparing to meet a group. The third thing that we always do is we have to listen and observe, we have to be clear. If we’re having, for example, a conversation with a partner who is like represents an indigenous community, we have to really listen to what it is that they’ve been telling us along the way. Yeah, where we can support. And I always say this is like, if we’re on land, or we’re on ocean, and we’re getting ready, we see the land ahead of us. And we see the group sitting there on the shoreline, we have to sit and wait. And I’ve seen this happen before and like different cultural events is where a group will sit and wait to be invited on. So we need to ask permission, or that community or that group, can we, you know, here is where we are from where we’re telling you what our ancestry is, where we’re coming from, like what our agenda is, we might be meeting that group to heal up a past wrong. And so it’s up to the group to decide we ask permission as the guest, and the host is the one that will decide. So oftentimes groups will kind of like convene on shore, and they’ll start to recall, like, what’s his history? What’s the relationship that we have? If there’s not a lot of trust there, then they’re not going to when they’re ready, they’re going to invite you on? And so I always tell businesses, like that’s important, right? When we’re working with communities of color.
Kelly Meerbott 13:39:55
Yeah, especially with the I mean, we, you and I could go off the deep end and talk about historic trauma for for days, I know that. But I love that remember, recall, invite ask permission. I mean, that it’s it’s literally basic tenants for for the sonship and good stewardship. You also told me offline about something you do in your work that honors and remember, can you you know, in the, in the family verse that you’re grateful for, and I’m, I’m again, making a mess of it. So if you would, if we would speak to that, and maybe walk us through how, how we can do that. At home? Yeah, absolutely.
Kapiolani Laronal 13:40:46
I think every time we’re doing something, so an elder once told me that we kind of have these rituals every day, like elders will. There was a woman who told me Yeah, I don’t pray just in the morning or at night, or when I need it, or do my rituals, right? I or meditate, for example. It’s a daily it’s every, every little thing I do is a meditation or it’s an it’s an honoring, right. And so one thing that I always like to do with the the groups that I work with is just invite in a memory of people who inspire you and bring them into the conversation. If they inspire you, there must have been something really powerful. or a fool in them that grounded you as an individual. So who’s the who was an inspiration to you and even more, so it could be a family member ancestor who you really admire, bring them into the conversation and invite like many people these days are many companies I hear are practicing like intention setting or, or being a gratitude at the beginning of each meeting. So what are you grateful for? Who are you grateful for? And how can you bring them into a conversation or into a working project? Right with with people, it just gives gives us a bird’s eye view of the big why, why are we doing what we’re doing, and it’s attaching purpose to it?
Kelly Meerbott 13:42:22
Oh, my gosh. And that’s, I mean, that is central to all the work that I’m doing with the military and a lot of the government agencies, because what I’m noticing, I don’t know, if you’re noticing this in your work, is though a lot of people feel lost. They are not grounded, and why should they be? I mean, like you and I talked about this, before we got on that, this, what we’re dealing with, with COVID-19 and all the variants. So I’m not going to go down that path. But it’s almost like we’re all surviving a world war together. It’s the war for health, you know, and that’s really unsettling. And, and I mean, a lot of the things I hear or I just forgot why I’m doing this. So, you know, I’m going to flip the script and ask you like, for the rest of our conversation, who inspires you and what are you most grateful for?
Kapiolani Laronal 13:43:24
Wow, that’s powerful. There’s so many people that inspire me. I think I’ll have to name a couple. But the first, of course, is my great great grandmother, who at a young age, I think at 18 years old, she got pregnant with, we don’t know who the gentleman’s name was, we know he was our fur trader, a French Canadian fur trader. So my grandmother on my mother’s side, she was the granddaughter of Nick Drake, who was the chief of chiefs of the Haida Gwaii nation in southeast Alaska. And her name was Martha arriel. She had gone to boarding school and experienced even younger than that, like at 15 and 16. She was whipped for not she was caught speaking her language, her traditional language. And so she had scars on her back from she was being punished by by speaking her language. And, you know, after that, she went back home, and then I was then she ended up. This was a form of kind of like solidifying ties, it was an economic for more economic reasons that her father, my great great grandfather decided for this, this marriage to happen, and she didn’t want it to happen. So by that time, she was pregnant. And she she left the island. And I think of her so much and what I do, because she didn’t in many ways, she lost her her voice. But she also kept it very close to her because she said to my mom, she said, I always whenever I was forced to speak in English and sing these hymns, I would always in my head, repeat it back in my own language, so that I never forgot who I was. Yeah, yeah. In that’s what that’s the work, right? That’s the work that I feel we have to do in this world is how do we give each other a voice? And how do we not? How can how can we keep remembering the things that are really important that ground us like in COVID? What’s going to ground us? What has been there with us this whole time while we’re struggling? Who has been there with us? You know, and that’s so I would say yes, my great grandmother, Martha aureole is the one who really inspires me. Yeah,
Kelly Meerbott 13:46:03
she’s she’s amazing. She’s amazing lady, you know, I swim are so tough. You know my mind grandmother, who we were talking about before. You know, she would tell me stories about how she got on the train to go to California from Brooklyn three days to marry my grandfather and like, she got married and she didn’t know anybody else because he was Doctor in the army. I mean, and just collecting tinfoil during World War Two, my other grandmother, we suspect we don’t know this for sure. She would. She was born in the 1920s. But she was born out of wedlock. A lot of the behavior that we saw, right, but also, one of the things that she that always amazes me is she was in a horrific car accident when she was eight years old. And there were three of her relatives and her and she was thrown through the windshield of the car. She survived and nobody else did, which explains the fight and her the fight for survival. You know, and, you know, just like your grandma, your great grandmother held on to her voice, there was always that fight for herself. Whether or not it manifested that way or not really, I think that’s what it was rooted in. But yeah, I think honoring the past and giving a nod to the past while still looking forward to the futures is what I’m hearing. Is that is that? Oh, yeah.
Kapiolani Laronal 13:47:38
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And I talk a lot about engaging, I talked about resiliency a lot in the work that I do. And, you know, I’ve often asked myself, like, how might the world have reacted differently if we were able to really understand and be resilient and the ways that we communicate with each other? Or how we might support each other when we do experience a death in the family being through COVID? Or when we do see violence? What are the what are some of the ways that we can be resilient and see that and know that that exists? Like pain exists? And how can we work through it, in order to get to where we need to go. And I think that speaks to like the, the, your your grandmother, too. And my grandmother, there’s something about women, that and I talked about this to the power of our matriarchal line or matriarchal bloodlines, speaks to also how we see land as well, right as being grounding forces. And women in particular, we have the capacity, if we choose to give life just like the the earth, right, and we mimic the natural flow of the Earth, right through the moon, because we have our moon every 20 days. And so that is a really key piece of information that we’ve forgotten. It sounds a bit out there. But it’s almost like common sense, right? It’s like, well, of course, like, then we know that there’s some sort of balance that women bring. Yeah, to understanding challenge and working through these challenges.
Kelly Meerbott 13:49:39
Well, and we’re, like you said, we’re a vessel for life. And like, you know, I mean, I think it’s deeper than common sense, at least for me, it’s wisdom. It’s like knowing and coming back to yourself, if that makes sense.
Kapiolani Laronal 13:49:56
Yes, yes, absolutely.
Kelly Meerbott 13:49:59
Yeah. That’s really, that’s, that’s really powerful. So how young were you, when you have this awareness that you wanted to do this the work that you’re doing, you know, and typically, you find you find the pattern, it’s not always true. But between the ages of eight and 14, like, something happened, a defining moment happened to point to you or tap you on your soul and say, Kapi’olani that’s the way we’re going.
Kapiolani Laronal 13:50:32
Oh, my gosh, I love that question. And Kelly, I haven’t even I haven’t you the first thing that comes to mind, and this is a little bit like it might be a little bit out there. But I think there was a time I remember,
Kelly Meerbott 13:50:48
you know, me, I’m being out there. So go ahead.
Kapiolani Laronal 13:50:53
Well, there was a time in my life. I’ve just really, really always when I was young, I just loved hearing all these stories about you know, you talked about your Celtic name, their meaning of your name, I loved hearing about, like fairies like the kilt the Celtic, Celtic, folks really. You know, there’s a really cool spiritual side of that, that side of Ireland. But I always I loved thinking of other things outside of just me. And I remember I distinctly remember, I don’t know what I was outside by myself. I played with my neighbors a lot. So I was always outside and I remember looking at my hand and thinking, just had a question in my mind, I wonder if it’s just this is just about me. Like, I don’t know what it was about my hand in particular, but I just kind of like it was almost like I was poking at it thinking, Is it just me here? Or are there other things? Or is there a meaning? I think I was questioning Right? Like my, my heat? Like, are there other things around me that I don’t see? Or don’t pay attention to that, that I should be aware of? Like, it was just that question, right. And it’s so deep, and I think sometimes scary for other people, especially when we think about things as practical as like, a business plan or something like that, like, who the heck’s going to think of like, what’s going on outside of themselves, but I think that falls in line with this seven generation concept that you were talking about earlier. It’s like, we we are more than just ourselves, we are doing these things for the future for a future that we’re we’re possibly never going to see.
Kelly Meerbott 13:52:43
Yeah, 100 Yeah. You know, God, what a great story. You know, it’s, it’s so amazing how, how these defining moments in our lives really point to what we’re either called to do. I mean, like, for me, this coaching journey is, it’s a vocation. It’s like, I can’t imagine doing anything else. I just can’t. And so do you feel? Do you feel that when you’re working? I mean, because I feel that from you when you talk about your work, you know, yeah,
Kapiolani Laronal 13:53:19
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In relationship to coaching? I absolutely do. It’s really like a almost a soul driven, kind of, like, I just, I really fall into trying to see people for who they are, and really understand people, because I think it’s because of that childhood experience, right of like questioning like, is it just me, it’s not all about me, there are other perspectives or other histories and experiences. And it just in talking to you now, I’m realizing that in my coaching practice, and what I work with people, I always come in with that perspective of like, these are very important stories and lived experiences that I really want to tap into and see if I can help other people. I always say this, like, how can I help other people remember who they are?
Kelly Meerbott 13:54:16
Yeah, I mean, that’s literally why I named my business you loud and clear. It’s because it’s about you and getting loud and clear about who you are. And just knowing what’s noise and distraction, covering, you know, the essence of that loving essence that makes you and then animates you, you know, whether it’s soul, whether it’s heart centered, whatever you believe in, you know, and it’s to help people come home to themselves.
Kapiolani Laronal 13:54:44
Yeah, absolutely. It’s the clarity. Right, we’re there to kind of like, peel back the layers and help people find clarity.
Kelly Meerbott 13:54:54
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, and be the catalyst for those aha moments. So yeah, it’s God. So, so great. So who, who are your favorite people to work with or organizations to work within? It doesn’t have to be industry specific. Like for me, I know. I love organizations that are decisive, that are, you know, have grit, who are fun because sometimes our work gets intense, you know, that lived experience. I like people who are bringing me a challenge, because I know I I’m not here for a free ride. And I like people who really understand what commitment can do for them. When you really commit and dig in, I mean, it makes all the difference in the world. So for you, who do you resonate and align most with?
Kapiolani Laronal 13:55:56
Yeah, that’s such an interesting question. Because I am growing into discovering that and what I found is naturally, I’m attracting or calling people who have some sort of mission for sustainability, for supporting the environment. And this is really interesting. Most all the organizations that I’ve worked with have a commitment to honoring the youth in some way. So a lot of environmental organizations are particularly interested in in these indigenous approaches, because I think also they’re well aware of that Need for acknowledging first peoples on the land that you know on the land or the environment that they care for in their own regions. And I really, really care about some of the same things you do? Are you going to be resilient? And are you willing to trust me in helping to coach you? And this is the one thing that surprises people, I don’t tell people what to do, I help guide them. And if they can trust that they have the wisdom, and not look to other people to guide, guide them in that direction. So a lot of my the way that I work is we I’m there to ask, what are the challenges? And what are you starting to see about your organization that needs to be changed. And so I really desire I love organizations that trusting me to guide them and not give them the answers. And some, some are very, they need people who are direct, they need people who are going to tell them, these are the things that I see, go ahead and fix it. And this is what I can offer you. But I’m really hands off, I love to see people emerge out of their own identity as an organization or, or as individuals. And I really the other thing to Kelly that I care about most when I’m coaching individuals, is are they willing to really sit in the discomfort and the challenge, because that’s really where the work begins. And it scares people sometimes. And I always want to reassure people that I’m here to really support them in that process. So I’ll give you an example. Like there was a there was somebody who she one of my clients, she said, I did not want to have a coaching session with you because I didn’t do any of the work that we any of the goals that we set last week. I didn’t want to talk to you or talk or have the session. But I went ahead and did it. And because I asked her Are we are we on for today? And she’s like, yes. And then she told me afterwards that that she was really scared. But what I appreciated the most about her was that she was completely honest. And we were able to figure out a way for her to overcome the blocks that she was facing. Yeah. So and that’s what I love. I love people who are really honest with themselves and saying, Yeah, I didn’t get it done. Like, can we figure something else out?
Kelly Meerbott 13:59:09
You know, that’s, and I say that I say that like differently, but kind of the same to my clients. And I’m not here to judge you. I’m not here to tell you what to do. I’m a big believer that everybody has the answers that ancient wisdom inside them. And it’s my job to kind of peel away the noise and distraction that covers that. And often muffles it. But I can be direct too if I if I need to be. But that I’m I’m hands off as well. You know, it’s really, it’s really about what do you want? And how can I support you and walk alongside you to get you there? So yeah, I love that approach. Do you I think we talked about this when we first met Do you have a rose and a thorn moment from your career as a coach or, or overall in your, in your lifetime that you then we’re defining moments for you. And if we’re talking about resilience, and I said this to you before the thorn moment is really, this is something crappy that really happened. But here’s how I recovered from it.
Kapiolani Laronal 14:00:20
Yeah, story moment. Well, yeah, Thorin moment that I recently had was just, you know, I think as as coaches who especially are like myself, and you were passionate about creating spaces of belonging, like a Thorin moment for me recently, it was like not inviting an open space or a dialog. In a in so the, the setting was that we were doing a land acknowledgement. And what I did didn’t do in that respect was like open it up to others to be able to provide space for them and an opportunity to step out if they wanted to. AND, and OR to engage. So asking that very simple question. And not making assumptions that was a thorn moment for me, but I’ve learned that just always keeping in mind that everybody is always going to experience something we say something we do very differently than what we think is going people or how we think others are interpreting it hire? Yeah. So,
Kelly Meerbott 14:01:38
um, I mean, I, I can’t tell you how many three moments I’ve had in my career, I mean, in my lifetime. And I sometimes feel like I’m always cleaning up after myself. But when you do a land acknowledgement, could you would you mind doing one for us right now so people can understand what that is, and experience it a little bit.
Kapiolani Laronal 14:02:03
Yeah, so a land acknowledgement for people who aren’t familiar with what what that is, it’s something that’s practiced, usually in large settings. So you’ll have organizations that maybe are coming together for a celebration, or it’s just a big event. And land acknowledgments are meant to acknowledge the first people as the original stewards of the lands that they’re on. So in this case, for myself, I would like to honor the law, not a people of the traditional homelands will not be hooking. This is a, what we now know, as New York state. So Mannahatta was the traditional name for Manhattan. And I’d like to acknowledge them as the caretakers and the original stewards of this land since time immemorial. And in that honoring, so that’s a land acknowledgement. But in that honoring, it’s just simply understanding that we’re ever we are standing even for those listening in on this podcast, wherever we are. There are there are people before us that took care of where you are. And to honor that, yeah,
Kelly Meerbott 14:03:18
I think the one I have a tribe was in Pennsylvania as well, correct? Yes.
Kapiolani Laronal 14:03:22
Yep. Pennsylvania, Delaware, and then some parts of Jersey?
Kelly Meerbott 14:03:28
Yeah. So they had all of this land. And I just I love that. And I love the idea that the the original stewards of the land, just that title to me sounds so I don’t know what it just gives me tingles all over my body. It’s like, yep.
Kapiolani Laronal 14:03:47
Yeah, yeah. And there’s just they’re in Washington State. This is, you know, there are a lot of tribes in Washington State. But one of the common phrases are chill here is that these are practices and ways of being since time immemorial. Meaning that since the beginning of time, we’ve, you know, there are people who have taken care of this land. There are names for all of the things around us, the trees are original names to that, that total story. And this, again, goes back to the power of naming, it was that the regions that were in the ways that we named mountain ranges and waterways is that they all told a story. So we would know whether or not to go to a certain place based off of its name, we would know whether or not that was a sacred place, we would know what families were in that region just based off of the names of the trees, or the mountains or the landscapes. And so that reminds us of that indigenous approach, right to finding ourselves. It’s like, what is it that we remember about our pastor and the names, even in our first and last name? What is it that we remember that brings us back to the source? And like you said, so beautifully. Kelly is like, how do we get you to uncover and be like, clear out all the noise, and become clear about where you stand and who you are?
Kelly Meerbott 14:05:16
Yeah, and you have no way of knowing this. But I’m, we’re going out, we’re leaving on vacation on Monday, and we’re going to Washington State. So I can’t wait to just put my feet on that land. And remember, what you’re, you’re teaching me and teaching our listeners. So if anybody who’s listening to this podcast wanted to get in touch with you, how would they do that?
Kapiolani Laronal 14:05:42
Yeah, they can. So I have a couple of platforms that I use, I’m on Facebook, I’m at coach, cap, CO a CH, K A P, and then also they can reach me on indigenouslifecoach.com and I’m also a part of indigenouslifecoach.com There’s more information on a mighty network where I provide free resources. I have a lesson plan on creating spaces of belonging using the approach that I shared with you today. And I’d love to for folks to check in with me and you can find me on mighty networks, indigenous life coaching consultant,
Kelly Meerbott 14:06:25
I mean it i You and I have had several conversations and every time you just you have this energy that imprints on my heart and soul and I feel like a better here Amen for knowing you so I’m, I’m really grateful that you came on hidden human and I encourage anybody who’s listening to reach out to Kapi’olani and just talk to her because if you don’t get it once you doctor then you’re not a match because this is a woman who is literally transforming the world and I would say get on the rocket ship before it really launches because she’s on our way and to our audience, you know, I would say as as a practice of gratitude, thank you for being vulnerable and real with us and to our listeners. It’s it’s our intention that this podcast inspires you to go out and have authentic conversations to deepen the connections in your life. Thank you so much for listening to hit me human and make it a great day. Thank you
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